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Bush
Mar 22, 2007 13:59:28 GMT -5
Post by thegreatdave on Mar 22, 2007 13:59:28 GMT -5
Ok I know a lot of people talk about Bush but I was just wondering what everyones opinion was and as for mine well I now know that Bush is intellegent but he surrounded himself with people who gave him wrong information and not to mention he doesn't really have good reading skills.
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Bush
Mar 22, 2007 14:00:30 GMT -5
Post by thegreatdave on Mar 22, 2007 14:00:30 GMT -5
Sorry forgot to add if you didn't know that I'm going to be a demecrat when I register to vote.
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Bush
Mar 22, 2007 14:38:21 GMT -5
Post by Klark on Mar 22, 2007 14:38:21 GMT -5
Like every other President we've had, he's made bad choices and he's made good choices. He also invents words, which is just hilarious but worldwide, it's embarrassing. Frankly, I'm glad his 8 years is almost finished. No more Bush, unless Jeb suddenly decides to run.
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Bush
Mar 22, 2007 14:52:18 GMT -5
Post by thegreatdave on Mar 22, 2007 14:52:18 GMT -5
God i hope not but yes i know he events words and stuff like that and i'm really not trying to defend him i'm just giveing him a little more credit then what he gets. Not to mention that the Bush administration was only worried about the oil that Sadom had control of. Also seeing as Sadom was mostly in are back pocket he was never a threat.
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Bush
Mar 22, 2007 18:06:40 GMT -5
Post by Bob on Mar 22, 2007 18:06:40 GMT -5
Ok, President Bush may be inarticulate at times, but I can think of 2 former Presidents who have made asses of themselves on an international scale.
Richard Nixon's famous peace signs were not so well received when he visited South America. He couldn't understand why he was basically booed off the stage. Had it known that the peace sign actually means "fuck you" in parts of the world, I'm sure he would have got the picture.
And perhaps the most famous modern President, JFK after the fall of the Berlin Wall showed off his German vocabulary. He proudly told the crowd "Eich bin ein Berlina!" (I'm not sure of the spelling) Intending to say "I am one of the people of Berlin" and instead saying "I am a donut"
So, the system of Politicians gaining power based on who their family is has served us as well as the Monarchy has served England. Talk about a gene pool that is goin dry! At least we've never had a Prince Charles!
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Bush
Mar 22, 2007 19:22:09 GMT -5
Post by Klark on Mar 22, 2007 19:22:09 GMT -5
True, but those Presidents you mention have had trouble with other countries hand signals and other languages. We're talking about his native language here. Hell, I'd almost rather he stutter.
Most Presidents have had an ass of a time at least once. I remember when I was a kid and Ronald Reagan came on TV. He said "My fellow Americans.....I forgot what I was going to say." I thought it was funny, but you know he felt like an ass.
Not even to mention that I wasn't alive when JFK was shot through the head in the 60's. However, I was alive when the Berlin Wall fell. That was 1989, on November 9th. (Officially it was opened that day) So, if JFK made that remark when the Berlin Wall Fell, I don't care that he said I'm a donut. It's still an outstanding achievement!
NOTE: JFK did actually make that remark, but it was just a speech in Berlin. The Fall of the Berlin Wall wouldn't happen until 13 days shy of the 26th anniversary of his death.
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Bush
Mar 23, 2007 13:46:04 GMT -5
Post by thegreatdave on Mar 23, 2007 13:46:04 GMT -5
Hey Bob I have a question for you do you know any credible websites that have the Rebublican and Democratic view points? Because before I go further i need to do a little reading seeing as i somehwhat don't know much about politics. For as bad presidents go Bush has the lowest popularity rating of all the preseidents in recorded history.
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Bush
Mar 23, 2007 14:41:01 GMT -5
Post by Klark on Mar 23, 2007 14:41:01 GMT -5
Yet he was voted in for the 2nd term. Sometimes, I truly don't understand politics.
Myself, I'm an independent. Mostly because I see views from both sides as good and some as bad. I like to keep my options open.
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Bush
Mar 24, 2007 16:04:33 GMT -5
Post by thegreatdave on Mar 24, 2007 16:04:33 GMT -5
well before i get in more political battles with anyone i need to know the views of both sides.
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Bush
Mar 25, 2007 1:59:58 GMT -5
Post by Bob on Mar 25, 2007 1:59:58 GMT -5
Well, now I feel like an ass, guess I got a lil taste of the Presidency. Yeah, was just a speech. Come to think of it, my Uncle was in the army when the wall came down, he brought me a piece of it. There are a lot of places you can go to look at the fundamental differences in Republican and Democratic philosophies, most of which will bore you to tears. One that I found that is fairly to the point is: www.accs.net/users/wolf/only111.htmThe wonderful thing about the system is that you can vote for whomever you like in the general election, party affiliation only limits you in the primary. I don't think that any well informed person can agree totally with either party. We are so far beyond partisan politics and the electoral system. The popular vote should elect the President! My advice would be not to get too hung up on the parties. If you simply vote a straight party ticket, you become a drone. I'm a republican, not because I totally agree with the party, but because in Nebraska, we actually have local elections where there is no democratic candidate because this state is so damn red that it would be pointless.
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Bush
Mar 26, 2007 12:06:52 GMT -5
Post by Klark on Mar 26, 2007 12:06:52 GMT -5
YAY! Tiny for President! *holds up a sign*
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Bush
Mar 26, 2007 15:35:21 GMT -5
Post by PrinceSirhc on Mar 26, 2007 15:35:21 GMT -5
I consider myself a Republican, up here in the great Liberal Northwest. Not because I agree with everything they have to say, but because I agree with the foundation of the republican Party. Personal responsibility, small decentralized government, reduced federal spending, limited bureaucratic involvement in daily life.
Sometimes I find myself on the Liberal side of social issues, but i believe strongly enough in the things listed above, that I don't usually end up voting democrat.
As far as bush goes, He's not a great leader, he a horrible speech maker, and I think his biggest problem is not being able to explain things to the American people. Despite that, I'm glad he was in (Compared to Gore or Kerry). He was a strong military leader, which I personally believe is what we need after 9/11 and through the war in Afghanistan.
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Bush
Mar 26, 2007 15:44:45 GMT -5
Post by thegreatdave on Mar 26, 2007 15:44:45 GMT -5
ok sorry i have to but in bush hasn't been good plus the only reason we went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq was because his family was loosing money in thier oil business and secondly they haven't totally stayed out of our lives its something called the patriot act which they listen into our phone conversations though most people don't have anything to hide but, its just the principle of the thing it is kinda showing how far should the government really go as far as dealing with our lives
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Bush
Mar 26, 2007 16:02:42 GMT -5
Post by PrinceSirhc on Mar 26, 2007 16:02:42 GMT -5
Patriot act = Being raped up the ass.
Trust me, I agree with you on that one. I believe in personal responsibility and liberty. Even though the republicans have been getting worse and worse about that, it's still their foundation. Hopefully, someday, the traditional republicans will be able to re-assert policy influence.
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Bush
Mar 26, 2007 19:04:02 GMT -5
Post by Bob on Mar 26, 2007 19:04:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't guess that there are enough old school republicans left to bring the party's ideals back into the policy making process. The party system has outlived its usefulness. There are too many far too complex issues to lump a person into one of two categories. The system serves the special interest groups and other lobbyists by letting them know who's votes to buy.
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